And something that I hadn't touched for a few years. It's still over my head and out of my interests but it looks nice and it's fast for the little I tried it. Details at: https://my.smithmicro.com/moho-pro.html The fixes are about 90% the same as in v12. Considering the v12 is out there somewhere in a format conducive to ripping (VMP), it shouldn't take too long for somebody to "crack" this one. Even better, CORE or some other group would hopefully release a keygen. Unfortunately the MP4 format I had first tried crashed the program and after wasting a few hours like a dummy looking for a bad patch, I decided to look at the dump. The crash was in my laptop's ATI card media encoder, which being way out of date, couldn't handle the MP4 version's requirements. Now you know of a possible culprit for problems And one of their samples in action along with an animated Gif I exported from it.